Variant/Free-form Stuff for a Priest

[Reigen]

There are the fel-crystles around Silvermoon that store fel-energy as well. So I'd say it was possible to store the energy and use it for later.

[Uthaniel]

And yet, you're all forgetting the most obvious example!

Mages can conjure crystals they use to recover mana. Mana gem, anyone?

[Binkleheimer]

Well, there are items like this, but as I said, that's a passive effect. I think you could do something like a giant wand, but I don't know if a wand's ever been used for healing someone.

EDIT: And Binkle, they're also from the Titans.

Doesn't mean they can't be made and meddled with.

Plus, as Reigen pointed out, the Fel crystals in Silvermoon.

This item also says otherwise. It's an active effect too.

[Loxmardin]

Using Arcane and Fel as examples is pretty moot in this discussion, however, since Arcane/Fel and Light energies are very separate from eachother in characteristics and where they come from. Arcane energies flow through Ley lines and are more "tangible" than Light energies are.

Light energies are summoned in a different manner than Arcane/Fel, as well.

That said, I have heard about "blessed" items and charging them with energy through willing it. But... I question whether this would work with a grenade since that kind of technology requires a different kind of trigger than what Light energies generally require, since they are "willed" into being activated. Rather than "triggered".

[Uthaniel]

They're not so different. Light can be molded into walls, hammers, barriers, wings. If it can be molded into these shapes, it can be molded into crystals and inserted into grenades. It'd most likely be a normal grenade up to the point the person grabs it, inserts light on it and throws it - it wouldn't work like, giving it to someone else and them using it similarly, sure.

But otherwise, it's no different than simply focusing Light onto a particular form, then expanding it rapidly.

[flammos200]

It's not always I'm right when talking about crystals. But when I am, I have a source.

Draenei make and use crystals with various applications. Healing, curing diseases, included. Alongside buffs.

Oh, and there are quite literally tons of other magic(Blessed or cursed) items too. Naturally occuring or otherwise.

...Oh, and for all those interested? There is a Light-channeler mechanism, of some sort. Comments section speaks of how useful it is for Pallies and Priests. /snicker.

Just in case you weren't convinced.

This guy also uses healing bombs.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Binkle... That's a raid item. If we go off of what raid items say, then we can turn one raid item into a different weapon.

Also, on the point of Arcane and Fel/Light. You guys are focusing on what moves you can do with it, but we (or maybe just me) are focusing on how Light works, and how you can get it into the objects.

[Loxmardin]

Anything molded with the Light isn't permanent, however. It's very temporary. As seen with the spells actually doing it, it's a temporary channel of the energy into being. Which means, if you intend to build a core out of Light energy alone, you need to put the crystal in when using it and throw the grenade right away. Which is very inconvenient.

Light isn't tangible in the same way and I'll stand firmly by that.

However, I didn't say you couldn't bless items, did I? My -only- issue in that case, would be how the grenade is triggered in the exploding in the first place to actually unleash holy energy.

Because, as I said, Light is willed. It doesn't respond well to outside triggers. You have to actually, consciously, will the energy into doing whatever it is you want it to do.

[c0rzilla]

A note about grenades: If anyone's forgotten, I worked with Knock on making these during the Booty Bay Plague events. They weren't so much Holy-Nova-in-a-can as blessed shrapnel around a holy water (oil?) core.

Schematics might be still be around the forums...

[Uthaniel]

Flammos has pretty much elaborated as much as it could possibly be elaborated on this case with three sentences. If it's not accepted that light can be imbued in technology when a developer has said it can (Grakor's post) and/or crystals with all the links pointing to such quests and items in Flammos' post, then there's absolutely no other argument that can be made in favor of this case.

[Loxmardin]

Flammos has pretty much elaborated as much as it could possibly be elaborated on this case with three sentences. If it's not accepted that light can be imbued in technology when a developer has said it can (Grakor's post) and/or crystals with all the links pointing to such quests and items in Flammos' post, then there's absolutely no other argument that can be made in favor of this case.

I'm not saying it can't. I'm questioning the trigger, and countering the claims of conjuring cores out of Light energy alone. I sincerely doubt and resist that any normal Priest or Paladin would be able to do that.

I wish to see some sort of explanation for how the holy grenades work. How the energy is released and what trigger you use to do so. I never said it was impossible, so please don't take my words for what they aren't. I mean what I say, quite literally. No reading between the lines.

Arcane and Light do not work the same way. Yes, there are enchanted items out there and crystals that can be used to heal or whatever. But they are effects you still will into being. Because you don't actually destroy the crystal or anything of the sort. You tap into the energy already inside the crystal.

How are you supposed to do this efficiently in a grenade?

One explanation I would accept would be runes. But, then again, I don't know how well they mesh with Light energies since they are an Arcane concept to begin with.

[Bovel]

I am more inclined to believe that a Light-engineer is someone that makes use of a priests or otherwise blessing and consecration in his or her work. Not a priest engineering. Both comes down to a lifetime of dedcation.

[Binkleheimer]

Binkle... That's a raid item. If we go off of what raid items say, then we can turn one raid item into a different weapon.

So? It's a raid item, who cares? It's still an item in the game and thus usable for comparison. Just like Uther's Strength is a usable example, so is Vendorstrike.

How it works makes sense to me. One version is a shadow type weapon that steals life while the other is a nature type that shocks enemies. Not hard to assume that you either shout some magical words or flip a switch to get it to work.

[c0rzilla]

Flammos has pretty much elaborated as much as it could possibly be elaborated on this case with three sentences. If it's not accepted that light can be imbued in technology when a developer has said it can (Grakor's post) and/or crystals with all the links pointing to such quests and items in Flammos' post, then there's absolutely no other argument that can be made in favor of this case.

I'm not saying it can't. I'm questioning the trigger, and countering the claims of conjuring cores out of Light energy alone. I sincerely doubt and resist that any normal Priest or Paladin would be able to do that.

I wish to see some sort of explanation for how the holy grenades work. How the energy is released and what trigger you use to do so. I never said it was impossible, so please don't take my words for what they aren't. I mean what I say, quite literally. No reading between the lines.

Arcane and Light do not work the same way. Yes, there are enchanted items out there and crystals that can be used to heal or whatever. But they are effects you still will into being. Because you don't actually destroy the crystal or anything of the sort. You tap into the energy already inside the crystal.

How are you supposed to do this efficiently in a grenade?

One explanation I would accept would be runes. But, then again, I don't know how well they mesh with Light energies since they are an Arcane concept to begin with.

A note about grenades: If anyone's forgotten, I worked with Knock on making these during the Booty Bay Plague events. They weren't so much Holy-Nova-in-a-can as blessed shrapnel around a holy water (oil?) core.

Schematics might be still be around the forums...

[FlyingSquirrel]

Binkle... That's a raid item. If we go off of what raid items say, then we can turn one raid item into a different weapon.

So? It's a raid item, who cares? It's still an item in the game and thus usable for comparison. Just like Uther's Strength is a usable example, so is Vendorstrike.

How it works makes sense to me. One version is a shadow type weapon that steals life while the other is a nature type that shocks enemies. Not hard to assume that you either shout some magical words or flip a switch to get it to work.

So, two weapons of completely different natures can then be switched by a third nature?