Warlock question

[Grakor456]

If you mean Passwall, then like all RPG spells it's useable. It seems quite a few people disagree with this, as well as many on the GM team, but I have, do, and will continue to use RPG spells if those around me permit it. If it's in one of our few solid lore sources, honestly, I view it as viable.

While I will agree that it is a good source of lore, the vast majority of mechanics and spells associated with the Role-Playing Game are ill-suited for use in-game.

To put it simply, things that are commonplace in the Role-playing Game can be skewed as over-powered and class-breaking on the server. As such, it is often a good idea to shy away from them.

This. Pen and paper mechanics do not translate well into MMO mechanics. If I saw someone trying to use Passwall ICly, I'd smack them for it.

On the OP's question: while opening portals to gate in demons is technically possible, the requirements for it would be outside the means of most PC warlocks. The most basic problem, beyond the sheer mechanics of how one opens a stable portal to the nether, is that demons gated in such a manner aren't loyal to the 'lock and are just as likely to shred him to ribbons than do anything else.

[Terant]

On the OP's question: while opening portals to gate in demons is technically possible, the requirements for it would be outside the means of most PC warlocks. The most basic problem, beyond the sheer mechanics of how one opens a stable portal to the nether, is that demons gated in such a manner aren't loyal to the 'lock and are just as likely to shred him to ribbons than do anything else.

Then, theoretically, could a large enough group of PC Warlocks accomplish it?

[Binkleheimer]

If you mean Passwall, then like all RPG spells it's useable. It seems quite a few people disagree with this, as well as many on the GM team, but I have, do, and will continue to use RPG spells if those around me permit it. If it's in one of our few solid lore sources, honestly, I view it as viable.

While I will agree that it is a good source of lore, the vast majority of mechanics and spells associated with the Role-Playing Game are ill-suited for use in-game.

To put it simply, things that are commonplace in the Role-playing Game can be skewed as over-powered and class-breaking on the server. As such, it is often a good idea to shy away from them.

This. Pen and paper mechanics do not translate well into MMO mechanics. If I saw someone trying to use Passwall ICly, I'd smack them for it.

On the OP's question: while opening portals to gate in demons is technically possible, the requirements for it would be outside the means of most PC warlocks. The most basic problem, beyond the sheer mechanics of how one opens a stable portal to the nether, is that demons gated in such a manner aren't loyal to the 'lock and are just as likely to shred him to ribbons than do anything else.

This is what happens in the Trial of the Crusader raid. Learn people.

[Beltharean]

If that's the case should we completely dismiss everything that's stated in the RPG books? I think it's a bit ridiculous to include yet exclude portions of a canon document in our lore to our heart's content. And at the same time, why is it acceptable for say... LostStranger to have had a Doom Guard summoned and under his full control, while it's completely implausible and thought outlandish for an arcane user to temporarily dissipate a portion of a wall? Might as well just have your own Doom Guard to simply smash through any obstacles in your way, wall or otherwise. But hey! It's a spell in game, so obviously it's plausible and completely non-lore-breaking in any way.

[muhaha8]

On the OP's question: while opening portals to gate in demons is technically possible, the requirements for it would be outside the means of most PC warlocks. The most basic problem, beyond the sheer mechanics of how one opens a stable portal to the nether, is that demons gated in such a manner aren't loyal to the 'lock and are just as likely to shred him to ribbons than do anything else.

Then, theoretically, could a large enough group of PC Warlocks accomplish it?

This was what my previous statement was: possible, but impractical.

[muhaha8]

If that's the case should we completely dismiss everything that's stated in the RPG books? I think it's a bit ridiculous to include yet exclude portions of a canon document in our lore to our heart's content. And at the same time, why is it acceptable for say... LostStranger to have had a Doom Guard summoned and under his full control, while it's completely implausible and thought outlandish for an arcane user to temporarily dissipate a portion of a wall? Might as well just have your own Doom Guard to simply smash through any obstacles in your way, wall or otherwise. But hey! It's a spell in game, so obviously it's plausible and completely non-lore-breaking in any way.

"He got this, so I should get something different, but still equally as unavailable via game mechanics," is what I get from this. Which isn't much of a valid argument.

Also, from my understanding, the majority of the GM team seems to not understand how Ara'Gazhi got approved.

[Rosencrat]

I see....Deviations. We look like we will be moving off topic soon.

I will re-state: Please keep to the original purpose of this post.

If there is a topic that you feel needs discussing, make a separate thread to discuss that topic.

EDIT: Also, please no double-posts when the edit button is crying for your touch.

[Grakor456]

This was what my previous statement was: possible, but impractical.

Pretty much. If you look at it another way, it's an alternative means of explaining the Ritual of Doom spell, which is also possible but largely impractical.

Also, from my understanding, the majority of the GM team seems to not understand how Ara'Gazhi got approved.

Hoo boy...

If that's the case should we completely dismiss everything that's stated in the RPG books? I think it's a bit ridiculous to include yet exclude portions of a canon document in our lore to our heart's content.

If you would like to debate this, I would be happy to answer you in another thread. Just not this one, as if I continue this here, I fear Rosencrat may try to beat me with a truncheon.

[Uthaniel]

The general conclusion:

Is it possible for a warlock(s) to open a portal to the Twisting Nether?

Yes, but it wouldn't be allowed.

How about to create a well of demonic power?

No.

Short 'n sweet. Like a sugar-coated gnome.

Now we can all hug each other and go do something more interesting.

EDIT: Grakor may have ninja'd me, but I stand by my post.

[Hawk]

Whilst not having anything to contribute to the discussion, may as well move it to an appropriate forum.

Moved to 'Lore'.

[Sedrival]

Is it possible for a warlock(s) to open a portal to the Twisting Nether?

I would say... theoretically yes, but the size and duration would depend on the number of warlocks and/or amount of power.
However, as has previously been stated; it would probably not be manageable in any practical manner.

How about to create a well of demonic power?

Well.. perhaps if you gathered demonic blood or captured and drained a demon.. I believe the blood elves did that in Burning Crusade? However, as you can also see on the Blood Elves who did.. it's not very healthy and not actually a good idea if you value your mind ;P