DKs can no longer summon their armor

[Grakor456]

But meh, people are tards by nature.

Let's please try to remain sensitive towards other people's feelings in this thread, please!

Now, that said: summoning a horse is a bit different from summoning a suit of armor. It's implied that paladins also summon forth their chargers magically (though from where is a bit contested.) Either way, calling a steed, which is (un)living, is a different feat than summoning forth armor directly over your body. Which...sounds dangerous to me. What if you're off by an inch and the armor goes into your body? Ouch.

I think, though, a lot of it is stemming from the perceived...OPness with just summoning armor like that. That's not the correct word, but it feels like a cop-out to always have the character ready for combat, even when they're...not ready for combat.

Of course, a mage just changing clothes is just pretty funny.

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[c0rzilla]

...Grakor, you're the best person ever for linking a clip of a Kyrandia game.

Ahem.

Now, what does this mean for non-DKs that call forth items from the Shadow Realm? My priestess Blair keeps a clipboard there.

She loves using the shadow plane as a place to store things. From a clipboard, to her glasses, to her mace she pulls it from the shadowy hole in her pants or vest pocket. They don't always come back quite the same, left in there long enough.

[Aadora]

Or perhaps the idea of being able to summon armor came from being able to summon a steed which is also covered in armor. I dunno really.

Also what does this mean for their weapons? Does the same go for them?

[Cressy]

Yes. I think summoning weapons is just as bad, if not worse than summoning armor.

[Kage]

Well summoning armor would involve putting it on instantly yes? Summoning a sword would be similar to summoning the steed. It doesn't actually have to form on your body. That and the steed could just hold the sword.

[Rowgen]

Honestly, I don't see why weapons would be so bad. I mean, there's Dancing Rune Weapon. I don't see why that's any better than summoning a weapon while unarmed.

[Harmonic]

I think things like weapons need as much proof as armor. Problem is, people say "I don't see the issue with this" without providing a substantial link or proof that it's possible.

Dancing rune weapon doesn't prove it could be summoned, it just proves that it's a dancing rune weapon.

Also, c0r, not to be a spoiled sport, but...

http://www.wowpedia.org/Realm_of_Shadows

The realm of shadows is a mirror-like realm of the existing one. Sort of like the idea of the "Umbra" or "Penumbra". If you were to keep a clipboard there, you'd have to go to it's location every time you wanted to use it, pick it up, then come back from the realm. Let's say, if you had the clipboard sitting on a "shadow desk" in Stormwind, you'd have to most likely be in that area of the shadow realm to get it, being that it's a mirror image. If you enter the shadow realm in say, Hearthglen, you'd be in it's shadow-y version, not Stormwind's.



That's what I draw from what's in the wiki there, at least.

Edit: Took a look at the dancing rune weapon. That's actually pretty compelling, sorry Rowgen for dismissing it initially.

[DaveM]

Hmm. Here's my confusion:

We have to reference a similar instance before we do something?

And pull-out-the-horse-whenever so therefore I can pull-out-the-item-X-whenever is insufficient referencing?

I can undeerstand when we limit something because of the OP implications, but "this exact thing doesn't happen in any other example", which is what I'm hearing sounds ...CotHy?

Or am I missing something?

Edit: How about a mage making simple cloth into heavily reinforced cloth. Flash-transmutation. That work?

[Aadora]

That actually makes me wonder about the Dreadsteeds. Can they just teleport from one place in the realm of shadow to another? Or are they always just following their master around from the other world? Seems strange if it's a mirror world that when you summon them they can just step right out. If you have to be in the same place in the normal world that you left an object in the shadow realm to get it, wouldn't that mean the Dreadsteeds would as well have to step through the shadow realm to the normal world from the mirrored version of the place they are trying to get to?'

[Harmonic]

In extreme cases where you're doing out of the norm stuff like summoning armor around yourself or pulling weapons from out of the wild blue yonder, yes, it's probably a good idea to have something to back up the action before you do it. Usually there's spells associated with classes that support such oddities.

[Hawk]

Are you talking about Dreadsteeds or Deathchargers? Because Dreadsteeds are the ones summoned by Warlocks from some planet beginning with X.

[Aadora]

Yeah... meant deathchargers.

And Dave, I don't think that's the reason, as much as it is there is nothing in lore to even suggest that they could do this. Deathchargers are creatures that can move themselves, depending on how exactly they pop up at your location as I previously mentioned. But swords and armor don't move themselves. Someone has to move them and if you are in the normal realm and they are in the shadow... no one is moving them to you.

At this point it's really like saying "Humans can fly." Sure it's obviously untrue, but there is just as little proof to show that both they can fly, and that they can't fly. Haven't seen any humans fly in warcraft? Doesn't mean they can't do it. Then again there has never been anything in Lore to suggest they can.

[Grakor456]

We have to reference a similar instance before we do something?

And pull-out-the-horse-whenever so therefore I can pull-out-the-item-X-whenever is insufficient referencing?

I can undeerstand when we limit something because of the OP implications, but "this exact thing doesn't happen in any other example", which is what I'm hearing sounds ...CotHy?

Or am I missing something?

I think you're missing something.

Summoning forth a horse is a different animal (er, no pun intended) than summoning armor onto your own body. One is a creature, the other is an object. This would be the equivalent of saying that, because a Warlock has the ability to spontaneously summon demons from the Nether, he therefore has the ability to use a ritual to spontaneously summon objects out of other people's possessions. Obviously, that doesn't happen.

In the case of a Warlock, the reason this is the case is explicitly told to us: demons are summoned through specialized magic that requires an infernal contract or the warlock having some power over the demon itself. Such an arrangement cannot be made with, say, a kitchen knife. For all that we know, the same applies to Death Knights and their steeds and the summoning is only possible due to a specialized bond between the two. Keep in mind that DKs use necromancy, the magic that specializes in manipulating life energies and undeath. Death chargers are undead. A suit of armor is not.

I actually don't have much of an opinion on summoned weaponry, personally, but I'd question why a DK wouldn't keep his weapon nearby at all times. I mean, I could see removing armor in order for a freed DK to try to regain a life he lost...but the rune weapon is practically a DK's lifeline. It seems odd to leave it behind.

[DaveM]

I understand all that. My question was more along the lines of Shadow priests that are quite familiar with the Shadow realm pulling out specific items at any time. Seems a minor thing. It obviously can be abused, like all magic, but would such be okay within reason?

Also : How about a mage making simple cloth into heavily reinforced cloth. Flash-transmutation. That work?

[BountyHunter]

Flash-transmutation. That work?

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