Conquest of the Horde

This is more likely what'd happen.




To uh, contribute more to this topic, I've only interacted with you outside of RP, Scow, in the OOC area. It was interesting, because I had a complaint about my phone company, who had a pre-recorded message that stated "My Bad" when the machine made a mistake. Being that I've worked for quite a few places that have to deal with pre-recorded messages, I had to chuckle and say "Whaaaaaat" at it, as it sort of set me back a bit, and made me a wee bit disheartened that they felt the need to stoop to a level they thought their customers would "understand" to communicate.

I voiced this in game as sort of a joking topic, knowing full well that in the reality of things it was insignificant. However for about ten minutes the idea of the sentence "My bad" was discussed in way too much detail why it was a badly structured sentence. Not really knowing who you were, or why I was receiving some of the responses you gave (At one point with you saying "It sounds like you're just bitching to b***h"), it was very off putting. Needless to say, I looked up who you were, and made a mental note to myself to approach you on this when I could and voice my concern to you.


As for the quotes you were using while talking to others, I do have a suggestion. If you are going to quote something, make sure it's widely recognizable, otherwise if it's a quote that's somewhat inflammatory or negative, people will not recognize it and take offense, which seems to be the case. Another part of that, is whether or not it's a quote, it's still a statement from you in regards to the situation, and at that point it may be best to phrase it yourself and not say something that comes off as rude.

On the positive side, I can tell you are a very intelligent person. You have a varied scope when it comes to vocabulary, and that's something that's great for an RP community. Again, while I haven't RPed with you yet, I can say that from that alone I can tell that you're probably capable of making some interesting characters, and I do hope I'm able to in the future.

Don't take anything I've said negatively to heart! If you want to ask me anything, feel free, I'm more than open to discussion in private or where ever.

(11-11-2012, 10:00 AM)c0rzilla Wrote: [ -> ]I have a bit of advice about the strength potion stuff. To add some balance, why not have Madaga's endurance suffer, even though it might give her that burst of strength? Sort of like steroids in real life. Though, I'm not a pharmacist and it's been forever since I've read about steroids.

Endurance isn't really one of Steroids' side effects (Otherwise, they wouldn't be so prevalent in sports). Cancer, mood swings, and organ failure are more common. As it is, she's addicted and at least somewhat psychotic.

And Rensin... you were on Pol when you made that comment, right? Curses on the night elf avatar making every complaint sound like my whiny little sister! And yeah, that conversation got stupid fast, and I love arguing too much. Of course, your avatar didn't help. The way you phrased it made you sound like you were taking it seriously, so I did too!

Yeaaah, that is a problem, heh. Pol looks more fluffy than intended. It's not a big deal though.

(11-11-2012, 12:17 PM)Rensin Wrote: [ -> ]Yeaaah, that is a problem, heh. Pol looks more fluffy than intended. It's not a big deal though.

Not fluffy. At least not in any cute way. My younger sister is the negative stereotype of self-entitled teenage girls - and I've ended up associating that attitude with the female Nelf model for some reason, and I don't know why! I think it's because of elven haughtiness.

(11-11-2012, 12:14 PM)Scow2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-11-2012, 10:00 AM)c0rzilla Wrote: [ -> ]I have a bit of advice about the strength potion stuff. To add some balance, why not have Madaga's endurance suffer, even though it might give her that burst of strength? Sort of like steroids in real life. Though, I'm not a pharmacist and it's been forever since I've read about steroids.

Endurance isn't really one of Steroids' side effects (Otherwise, they wouldn't be so prevalent in sports). Cancer, mood swings, and organ failure are more common. As it is, she's addicted and at least somewhat psychotic.

What the side effects of steroids are isn't really the point. The point is the balancing of the potion so Madaga isn't the strange powerhouse you keep emoting her to be. There has to be a counter to everything.

Oohh, your the crazy Tauren lady.

First off, gonna bring up your lore standings. Mostly the god slaying orcs. They were indeed on Felblood. Grom himself was drunk on the felbood tainted fountain when he killed the god in WCIII. I don't know what you played when this occurred, but they were indeed demon happy when they killed the demi-god.

Secondly, try and be nice. Please, I have an issue with people who are rude OOCly, as many might know. You did indeed decide to put a violent display on an idea of another on how it should be ground out, with the people who's idea it belonged to present.

As for your rp? I kinda don't like the tauren. She's not even being an orc. She's kinda being.. Well.. A demon. It seems her closest allies that she thinks of as such are in fact demons. The old horde who killed a god, demon pawns. Garrosh Hellscream, later is found out to be a demon pawn, and is a general jerk/HE CHEATED TO KILL CAIRNE! (The last bit on Garrosh was simply because I don't like him) But you seem to be playing a demon Tauren drunk on killing and generally being not nice to everything.

Haven't rped with your other characters, but I hope you don't take this as me grinding into you! Just putting what I think about your characters, and generally trying to help. Good luck!
-Kage

(11-11-2012, 02:33 PM)c0rzilla Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-11-2012, 12:14 PM)Scow2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-11-2012, 10:00 AM)c0rzilla Wrote: [ -> ]I have a bit of advice about the strength potion stuff. To add some balance, why not have Madaga's endurance suffer, even though it might give her that burst of strength? Sort of like steroids in real life. Though, I'm not a pharmacist and it's been forever since I've read about steroids.

Endurance isn't really one of Steroids' side effects (Otherwise, they wouldn't be so prevalent in sports). Cancer, mood swings, and organ failure are more common. As it is, she's addicted and at least somewhat psychotic.

What the side effects of steroids are isn't really the point. The point is the balancing of the potion so Madaga isn't the strange powerhouse you keep emoting her to be. There has to be a counter to everything.

She's designed to come across as an intimidating powerhouse capable of holding her own even when outnumbered (The ability to acquire allies is a talent as unevenly distributed as any other). However, she does have weaknesses, though they aren't anywhere near as conventional as her strengths. Wasn't it quoted in the RP "The best way to win is not to fight at all"? "Never fight fair" is in full effect, and expecting to win against her when fighting on her terms is suicidal, as it is with any character.

I think I'll come out and say that perhaps her biggest weakness is how obvious her strengths are. In any situation where her enemy would face her single-handedly, they'd have plenty of chances to assess her strengths and plan accordingly. Choosing not to do so carries consequences.

And even when it does come down to a straight-up beat-down drag-out fair fight, Azeroth has fantastic options available to counter her fantastic strengths (Magic, Shadow, Light, etc). Even guile can counter her in some cases, but I'd like to point out that there are no reliable counters to her - I have seen far too many characters get reduced to jokes because others were too narrow-minded to try figuring out the characters' weakness' on their own, and forcing the player to compound the built-in ones with arbitrary, 'reliable' weaknesses that render the character a complete joke.

Of course, when she does meet a physical match (Armor usually helps in this case), the battle will be LEGENDARY.

And in response to Kage - I know the orcs were drunk on Felblood when they killed Cenarius. But I was saying they were wanting to kill him before finding the demonblood-tainted well. Of course, it could be said that the orcs were demon-tainted up until Mannoroth was killed. And yes, Madaga is pretty demonic (Making potions out of fel-tainted plants does that). She just knows how to play her allegiances.

I don't see how having a reliable weakness would reduce a character to a 'joke'. A 300 pound Orc wearing another 60 pounds of plate armor holdng a massive axe most likely wouldn't be considered a joke. He'd be a tought match to face in a 1v1 scenario, however his sheer weight would make speed and agility a very reliable counter against him. Everyone has weaknesses, and really, I don't think there's such thing as a 'reliable weakness. There's always outside factors that play a role in fights. She's a roided/fel'd up Tauren fighting in a swamp against an archer? Well, she's gonna have a hard time moving around in hooves and plate for one. Don't even get me started on what would happen if she fell over in the marshes.

Overall, try to include some faults or weaknesses. Strong armor? What about this weak spot in the metal by her ribs/joints? They don't have to be self-destruct-level weaknesses, just as long as the average warrior could push her around with enough thought and precision.

(11-11-2012, 05:06 PM)PvtFrog Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see how having a reliable weakness would reduce a character to a 'joke'. A 300 pound Orc wearing another 60 pounds of plate armor holdng a massive axe would be a tought match to face in a 1v1 scenario, however his sheer weight would make speed and agility a very reliable counter against him. Everyone has weaknesses, and really, I don't think there's such thing as a 'reliable weakness. There's always outside factors that play a role in fights. She's a roided/fel'd up Tauren fighting in a swamp against an archer? Well, she's gonna have a hard time moving around in hooves and plate for one. Don't even get me started on what would happen if she fell over in the marshes.

I guess when you put it that way, yeah - lack of ranged options, poor armor (offset by regeneration and incredible pain resistance, toughness, and excess body volume) and some vulnerability to magic are some of her 'reliable' weaknesses. . However, she's strong, tough, and fast - I wouldn't say speed and agility are reliable against an orc in heavy armor and using an awesome axe unless they veer into extreme levels - Strength, speed, and agility are positively correlated with each other (F=ma. KE=mv². p = mv. Yay physics) In order to be strong you have to be fast - although, conversely, the more mass, the more force or momentum needed to achieve the same speed, which does give an unarmored, nimble, and strong character an advantage in speed.

But... physics aside, most grunts are of at least average speed, while Madaga specifically is surprisingly swift, thanks to her tremendous strength and lack of proper armor.


EDIT: I put her profile in the workshop to work on, so discussion of the actual character can go there.

On the topic of Madaga meeting a physical match;

Show her to Mirran West. He'll be glad to give her a tour of her own backside (if he wins, ultimate fight of experience and gear vs brute strength).

On the topic of feedback;

I haven't really RPed with you before, but from what I've gathered, you've got some interesting characters;

Madaga; (Grimtotem Tauren with a grudge against everything?)

I'll remind that not even the Grimtotem are -extremely- kill-frenzy. They, if anything, are more behind-the-scenes and fighting from the shadows type attacks rather than a direct assault. An example being Magatha poisoning Garrosh's axe so that Cairne would die, and then Magatha and the Grimtotem could (attempt to) assume control over the Tauren. This opposed to Magatha and the Grimtotem simply just 'gathering' in Thunder Bluff and randomly deciding 'Hey Cairne we're gonna take your city now'

Telathis; (Alliance Archer/Crossbowman/Fighterguy; classic WC123 guy)

For what brief time I saw this guy, he was pretty simple. Y'know, good old Alliance-loyal human with a crossbow and a nack against demons and Horde. An understandable concept, however, it seemed strange that during an event a trained scout/archer of the Alliance would be trying to rush forward rather than stop, investigate, formulate, (insert other military procedure stuff here). If this is the wrong interpretation, then I apologize, my memory sucks.

Cereman; (and mister Malfurry)

From what I've heard alone of this guy, he seems... Pretty strange. While I applaud you for going for the classic hunter where he actually has a pet (as opposed to most IC hunters who're just marksmen) and his pet is a loyal companion, I must also remind you that the extent to druidic talent within the hunter class is very low (pretty much only enough to slightly manipulate ability to relate to animals). I'm sure I'm just preaching to the choir on this one, and I apologize if this is the 9999th time you've heard this.


I don't mean any of this negative, and everybody just wants to see you improve! First step to improving is taking in the advice of your peers and all that!

Hey, I managed to cram Madaga into two events today. I'll have to figure out how she managed to get from a party in the barrens over to Silvermoon City in a matter of moments, but I'll let the bronze dragons sort it out.

...I'm really not sure what to make of Madaga at all, especially when she has the gall to try to "comedically" trip a high warlord. For some reason.