Conquest of the Horde

Interesting. It seems that Wowpedia has way more information in each article than Wowwiki, which is what I've been using. I'll have to remember to check both in the future.

Thanks for the info, once again!

Wowpedia is the updated version of wowwiki and is updated much more than wowwiki. There are still some who cling to wowwiki, but wowpedia is generally more reliable.

I have also found WoWpedia to be more reliable as of late. Less ads and crashing too.

Anyways, I'll clear up the Draenei/Eredar thing. Eredar was the original species name, and they were basically the most powerful users of the arcane in the universe. Sargeras came to them and promised their leaders (Velen, Kil'jaeden, and Archimonde) even more power if they joined him. Archimonde and Kil'jaeden were all over that shit, but Velen was hesitant. The power Sargeras gave them is implied to be the Fel and/or warlockery, and when Velen denied this power, his brothers became offended and considered him a traitor, and thus a civil war of sorts broke out. After a while of this going on, the Naaru came to Velen and were all "hey bro we're putting together an Army of the Light wanna join" and Velen was all "damn right son", and the followers of Velen went with him and the Naaru, calling themselves the draenei. From there on they picked up the Light and thus began their interdimensional Benny Hill escape from the Legion.

May I also ask something on your post, JV?

I know mages can use their arcane mages to destroy weapons and armor, as well as any other solid thing (in fact, I heard arcane has the power to destroy the entire world). If that is even allowed, then what would happen to death knights if their runeblades are destroyed?

I think they can just rune another weapon, like that NPC in Acherus tells you. Razusomethingorother.

And I believe it's...ridiculously hard to destroy runeblades. I remember a discussion about that (earlier in this very thread, I believe!).


Ha. I finally answered one myself.


Edit: Yep, Flammos said this earlier:
"Since Runeblades are nigh-indestructible(Two GMs confirmed that no mortal weapon ever shattered a Runeblade that wasn't another Runeblade. Cress'n Hawk, back when I was playing Elil and she wanted to figure out a way to shatter Jidaeo's runeblade)"

Arcane, being able to destroy entire worlds (?), can pretty much destroy any thing. Though I doubt any mage that we can play could make up so much arcane. And I heard runeblades are basically the catalysts of death knights. Without them, and especially if they're destroyed, they begin to gradually turn to insanity, and ultimately die. Die by losing their abilities, thus disappearing forever.

EDIT: Ah, I see! Thank you!

(11-29-2011, 11:19 AM)JVNemesis Wrote: [ -> ]I'm back. Feed me.

Sargeras's Offer to the Eredar: I'm a bit confused as to how this whole thing actually went down. Was it along the lines of "Okay, here's my ultimatum, stand on this side of the line if you agree with me, and that side if you're gonna cut and run" or more like "Hey I'm glad everyone agrees with me, this is grand and-hey, what's that note you're passing around? Hey wait, why are you running, Velen?!"

Less silly translation: Did Velen's followers meet in secret and agree to flee? What was the criteria for who stayed with Archimonde/Kil'Jaeden and who fled with Velen? Those who wanted arcane power/knowledge vs. those who smelled something fishy about the deal?

Wielding Fel: How does one go about channeling fel? All I've gotten so far is "Some arcanists can cast fel spells, perhaps after drinking demon blood" which is only...partially helpful. Is drinking demon blood the only way to harness fel magic? Because that seems rather inefficient. Are warlocks just so practiced at reaching for it that the magic comes to them as easily as regular arcane does for mages?
And there's no movie-style "I'm a very mad mage right now, so suddenly I can channel fel magic even though I never have before", correct?

Fel Weapons: For clarification (because I wasn't aware of this until recently), here's what Wowwiki has to say on the subject:

Quote: Fel magic is pure, evil and arcane; it resides in the blood of demons. This blood has magical properties; it addicts arcane magic users and can be used to create evil weapons. When a weapon is forged in demon blood, it becomes a fel weapon. It glows with a foul, yellow-green fire and deals extra damage to good-aligned opponents.

Since the Burning Legion returned to Azeroth, the world's heroes have encountered fel weapons and fel magic at an increasing frequency. As demon cults continue to fester and grow in Desolace, Ashenvale Forest, and other remote corners, gruesome sacrifices are held to entice demons into giving their blood in trade. The cultists use their blood to enchant the weapons that they hope will bring about their masters' ultimate victory.

Are these one of the 'RPG only and therefore we don't use them' things? Or is this a legitimate thing to show up on CotH? Anyone know of someone using one IC already?

And finally...where do you (people who consistently answer these somewhat obscure questions) find your information? I'm all over the interwebs, and all I find is enough vague information to let me ask a question here, and then I get "oh, well, here you go" and I'm sitting there going "...where are you finding this, and why can't I?" Is it in the RPG books?

Thanks again in advance.


Edit: Also, Polymorphing. Are there any specific limitations on what can be polymorphed, and into what said thing can be polymorphed?

Sargeras' Offer to the Eredar: was literal. A literal offer of power in exchange for allegiance. And it was planet-wide. The Exodus happened at the very same time as the corruption of the Eredar, thanks to the Naaru - who protected Velen's faction. The Eredar of the time were free to choose who went with Velen, and who wanted to accept the offer of the Deceiver.

This might also prove an interesting read: Talgath, the traitor. He was the one who was tasked with finding the Draenei after Argus was corrupted. He was a great friend of Velen's, too.

Wielding Fel: is an interesting tidbit. For one, the vast majority of 'Lock magic is based on ritual and knowledge. Yanking volatile energy from the Twisting Nether(Where our pals, the Burning Legion, reside), non-modulated by the Ley Lines that criss-cross Azeroth, to create devastatingly powerful - if quite corruptive - spells.

As far as Demon blood goes, yes, that's still true. Feeding someone Fel-blood turns their Arcane spells into Fel-spells. Mage fire spells turn into Fel-fire, for example. And, all they're doing is casting the usual Fire spell. It's the demon blood that warps their magic into fel-fire.

Fel Weapons: work as described, yes. We have Felsteel Longblades, etc. in-game, even. I've personally used such.

where do you (people who consistently answer these somewhat obscure questions) find your information?

...A lot of places. The wikis are one thing, but Ask the Devs(Found on the WoW forums) is another favorite of mine, alongside the RPG books, and the Warcraft Novels.

Polymorphing: Polymorphing is typically treated as changing one item or creature into another item or creature, though not to any extreme effect for long. Time limitations are greater the larger the size difference between the polymorphed things. So, a mouse into a canary or goblet will last a fairly long time, and it won't drain you of much energy. But a mouse into an Elephant will dissipate quickly and will take a good deal of work on the mage's part.

The spell we use in-game is Baleful Polymorph: Turning an enemy into a harmless critter for a short period of time. Lore-wise, it makes perfect sense. You're turning a fairly large creature(A humanoid) into a small, harmless thing, which obviously takes a bit of energy, and it won't last for long. So, yeah.

Aphe's got the ball on the Eredar bits. /tosses Aphe a slice of chocolate cake.

Heh, I was wondering if you were going to pop in!

Thanks again. More food for thought.

Wouldn't polymorphing still be quite OP? Even baleful?

(12-07-2011, 10:27 AM)flammos200 Wrote: [ -> ]Aphe's got the ball on the Eredar bits. /tosses Aphe a slice of chocolate cake.

/devours eagerly.

Yaaay!

(12-09-2011, 04:50 PM)Holynexus Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldn't polymorphing still be quite OP? Even baleful?

Not any more OP than torching an enemy with Arcane fire, or freezing them, or slowing them. Magi do all sorts of OP things regularly. It's part of their 'job'. Imposing their will on the universe.

The trick to playing a mage well(Or any other "OP" class, like Death Knights for instance), is to do so using common sense and courtesy. Basically, make sure that everyone affected is okay with whatever you happen to be doing. And if they aren't, then simply don't do it.

Normally, in rollfights in my experience, we've treated Polymorph as a painful-transformation sort of thing. So, it'd hurt, and the enemy'd shift back into their normal self(If they were a player), afterwards, and the fight would continue. Against NPC enemies, such restraint... can be lifted, I'd think.

Point is, yes, a lot of people have a lot of power at their fingertips. It is up to them to use it wisely.